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Thursday, July 21, 2005

The Meaning of Life

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that I thought was really thought provoking. It said:

"The meaning of life: Live it."

-Peace to us all-

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19 comments:

Trev Diesel said...

Ha. I love it, man. Spot on.

Zen Unbound said...

James,

This post and the prior one are really very closely connected.

Your "The World is Not a World" is ascendant, the many becomes one. Or, thanatos to Plato/Freud. Here, we are looking toward perfection [i.e., becoming Buddhas].

This post, "The Meaning of Life," is descendant, celebrating the many in the one. Or, eros to Plato/Freud.

Freud freaked as he saw Eros and Thanatos as being an unreconcilable battlefield. Buddhism is rare in than it successfully finds the connection: "Nirvana and samsara are not two." or in Zen, "Form is emptiness; emptiness form."

Or, as Eckhart wrote "Flee the Many, find the One; having found the One, embrace the Many as the One."

Of course, I could be assuming way too much in the meaning of that bumper sticker.

[In my next polemical comment, I will deconstruct "Shit Happens."]

Zen Unbound said...

I'm back -- and feeling unabashedly polemical again this morning.

"The meaning of life: Live it." is about as eros as it gets; I am not misreading that sticker!

Eckhart [see my prior comment] insists that a person must be ascendant first. Find the One, and then turn around 180 degrees and find that life is sweeter.

It seems to me that Buddhism works in both directions simultaneously. Think of death and explore life's meaning, and at the same time notice that there is nothing so lovely as a tree [or a Chevy engine or a Lakers cheerleader.]

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"James" said...

Trev: Yeah I liked it too.

Tom:
Thank-you for your in-depth analysis. I never gave it that much thought!! :) It just seemed to have a positive message that I connected with but I do agree with most of what you are saying here.

Amadeus said...

I saw a bumper sticker today that said:

"Bush is a stupid chimp"

I thought to myself, just because George Bush isn't very intelligent, one shouldn't go around insulting chimps. Anyways, I thought that was kind of interesting.

As far as the "The meaning of life: Live it." I have seen this one befor, which I believe is much like the saying "Just do it". Kind of like saying quite screwing around, take the bull by the horns and take care of business.

I like it.

~Amadeus

I have a better idea for the Bush on. I like: "Bush is a stupid human". How about that?

"James" said...

Amadeus:
Yeah, I like your version of that Bush sticker. :) I like your interpretation too of the "live it" sticker. Get down to business and cut away the crap.

Zen Unbound said...

A mad deus:

I think "Just do it" means buy Nike shoes (without paying attention to the price or the rights of Nike's third-world employees).

I figured the "Live It" bumper sticker meant more in the way of "take the beer keg by the spout" -- instead of worrying oneself about getting into heaven or having eternal black nothingness to look forward to.

James, if you see that bumper sticker again, run the driver off the road and clear up precisely what he meant.

-- T ommmm

Zen Unbound said...

Re "Bush is a stupid human" insults me and my fellow stupid humans.

We demand DNA testing on Bush.

"James" said...

Tom,

I'll look for that guy on the road for the rest of my days. Now i'm obsessed with it.

I like your comment on DNA testing. Hehe.

Amadeus said...

>I figured the "Live It" bumper >sticker meant more in the way of >"take the beer keg by the spout" -- >instead of worrying oneself about >getting into heaven or having eternal >black nothingness to look forward to.

To Zen Un-updated:
So that is why your logic is so hard to follow sometimes huh Tom. Drink up buddy. ;)

~A Mad Deus

Amadeus said...

>"Bush is a stupid human" insults me >and my fellow stupid humans.

Were you decieved by Bush when you voted for him Tom?

Amadeus said...

>I think "Just do it" means buy Nike >shoes (without paying attention to >the price or the rights of Nike's >third-world employees).

Tom, which pair do you own?

Amadeus said...

~Amadeus

Zen Unbound said...

Amadeus,

I didn't vote for Bush. I don't think that I have ever voted for a Republican. Just because I do not spout hate for Bush sufficient for your sensitivities does not mean I support Bush.

['i' before 'e' except after 'c', Amadeus. I have not been deceived.]

I own no Nike products. I am repulsed by Nike's profiteering, while at the same time I am aware that Nike is welcomed as an employer is desparately poor countries. There is a lot of paradox in the world; one cause is probably a failure to regulate corporations on the world scene. We need trust-busting in the world to match what Teddy Roosevelt did in the USA a hundred years ago.

I think my reasoning is sound; it requires that we not simplify issues to absolute Good vs. absolute Evil OR victims v. oppressors in exactly [gulp] the way that Bush does.

-- Tom

Amadeus said...

Just because I do not spout hate for Bush sufficient for your sensitivities does not mean I support Bush.

I know, I know--you are correct. So what happened to all that hate you were aspousing against fellow bloggers that weren't agreeing with your sensitivities about a month ago. Did you rethink your position on that or am I being deceived ("i" before "e", are you deceiving us?)


I own no Nike products. I am repulsed by Nike's profiteering, while at the same time I am aware that Nike is welcomed as an employer is desperately poor countries.

Very good--you are a true humanitarian.

it requires that we not simplify issues to absolute Good vs. absolute Evil OR victims v. oppressors in exactly [gulp] the way WE ALL DO.

I think I got your drift.

Thanks for the response Tom.

~God's Beloved

Zen Unbound said...

Amadeus,

I don't *hate* Buddhist bloggers, I just felt that there was an elephant in the room that need to be recognized.

Nacho and Kathryn both call their blogging "mindful," and they needed to be called on it. Whatever they are doing, "mindful" it ain't.

Their conduct as bloggers dovetailed with what I was reading, the works of your Colorado neighbor Ken Wilber, and others who have taken an interest in the pathways of spirituality.

Boomeritis [or the Mean Green Meme] is a big problem that should be addressed, especially since it is so apparent in Liberal Bloggery. Nacho and Kathryn's blogs stood out since their usages of "mindful" were so blatently hypocritical, in my humble estimation.

Amadeus said...

I understand you are aggitated by much of what people write and that is OK. We all get aggitated at things we disagree with. At this point, there is no resolution to this posting and it is just trashing Jame's blog. I will respectfully retreat from this argument or whatever it is, as there seems to be no point really.

I hope that we, you and I, can discuss civily in the future our thoughts. Making puns on people's names, referring to them as mindless and other such negatives is not a way of keeping dialog open. In fact, it does just the contrary.

I trust that you are learning as the rest of us are. Likewise, I trust that you have patience for those that aren't as advanced as you. We are all on different paths and we all are here to better ourselves and the world around us. That is the first thing each of us should understand.

I wish you luck and peace in your endevours.

~Amadeus

Zen Unbound said...

Amadeus,

I didn't refer to Nacho and Kathryn as "mindless" -- I don't believe. I said that their claim of mindfulness was empty; thus, "mindfullessness" was a word I invented and used. I don't think that that was an attack, but something that was demonstrable, and I demonstrated it.

Since both Nacho and Kathryn were trashing others rather vividly in posts they claimed were mindful, the hypocracy struck me as extreme, worthy of comment and attention. [Kathryn actually outed a pupil of hers for what has to have been a very very minor offense.]

The problems of boomeritis/MGM are important and are worthy of our attention since being stuck in Green is THE obstacle to enlightenment, according to many spiritual writers, including Wilber.

-- Tom

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