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Tuesday, July 29, 2008

Intolerant Christians.

I recently read another article (see the previous one here) on The Buddhist Channel about predatory practices and bullying by Christians in predominately Buddhist countries.

I don't have the slightest intention to put one religion above another, to praise one and to blame another. I'm here writing about the attitude I'm expecting from somebody claiming to be a religious person, especially if he has much power in voicing his ideas. Then I came across Mr. Lothe's article in the UB POST and I did some small research about what the head of Eagle TV is writing about religions, and how much he cares about truth and mutual understanding – and I felt disturbed to see how he is trying to boast about his religion as being superior. Is this a way to solve the problems humanity is facing?

Mr. Terry is living in a country with a long Buddhist history (Mongolia) and where a majority of the people consider themselves Buddhists. He wrote on March 10, 2008: "Certainly I'm no fan of Buddhism. The teachings of Buddhism cannot hold a candle to the life of Jesus Christ. As I've written previously, Christianity is superior to Buddhism ethically, historically, and factually."
Where is the respect?

In a previous article about corruption he wrote:
"Mongolian society has primarily been informed by the world views of Atheism and Buddhism; but they don't seem to be able to affect the kind of character in society that makes corruption a source of personal shame. If these world views actually had that ability, then one would expect with such a long history here that corruption's acceptability would not be on the rise. The same is true in other nations primarily informed by these world views." Mr. Terry, December 15 2006 Then he wrote: "…they (Atheism and Buddhism) don't seem to be able to affect the kind of character in society that makes corruption a source of personal shame."

Only one remark:
It's true that no religion and philosophical system can prevent people from unethical behavior. Just think about all the Christian priests abusing young boys (this kind of behavior can be found in any religion, unfortunately). And think about all the corrupt and cruel dictators, presidents and prime ministers, claiming to be a follower of their religion – for example Mugabe, being a Catholic.

The attitude of Mr. Terry is getting again very clear when he writes: "If a Mongolian wants to be a Buddhist and openly express his Buddhism, let him." What does this mean if he also wrote: "Christianity is superior to Buddhism ethically, historically, and factually." and "As one former Mongolian Buddhist said to me about why he finally rejected Buddhism in favor of Christ, 'In Buddhism there is no love.' Comparatively speaking, he is correct."

James: To say that there is no love nor ethics in Buddhism is to betray either 1). An extreme ignorance and misunderstanding of Buddhism or 2). A blatant disregard for the truth to disparage a beautiful belief system to manipulate people into following your own twisted version of another belief system. Sure you might get some people to follow Jesus but at what cost? Your zealotry has blinded you to the point of losing your spiritual integrity just to add a few numbers to the ranks for your religion. You are so blinded by your lust to prove everyone else's religion wrong and "save" them that you're willing to go against nearly every major tenet of that very religion you claim is so wonderful. Is it really that worth it?

In the end, who are you really at war with, the Buddhists or your own fears Mr. Terry? Somehow he's threatened by Buddhism and I'm not sure why. Maybe you're threatened that Buddhism doesn't believe in a "God" and that Buddhists seem very happy despite that belief. So maybe that shakes your foundation and forces you to face a profoundly deep fear that maybe there really isn't a "God" and that if such is the case that you wouldn't be able to control your unbridled desires/thoughts? But I'm not a psychologist and I don't really want to rip you away from your beliefs. All I'm asking is to be respectful and let people decide what to believe for themselves. If they want to know more about Christianity then let the come to you, they will if they want to know but please don't tear their families and society apart just to mark another "believer" onto your list. These people aren't numbers, they're people that want and deserve the same kind of respect that you want and deserve yourself Mr. Terry.

When Mr. Terry writes "let him be a Buddhist" it means 'let him be a Buddhist, but let him know that he is not that good as a Christian, and that he's completely mistaken.' This attitude is dividing human beings into higher ones and lower ones, into good ones and wrong ones. I think Jesus would be sad to see what kind of game Mr. Terry is playing – playing the 'competition game' with religion.

James: So what is that makes often makes Christians bullies? I know that every religion has them but there seems to be so many amongst the monotheistic faiths. It seems that the majority of religious strife in the history of the world has been caused by the three main monotheistic religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam). Again, Buddhism has had its problems with bullying too but for the purposes of this post I just want to understand why the monotheistic ones are so often the most militant. I have my own views besides the ones I mentioned in the post but I'd like to read your views. Any insights?

~Peace to all beings~

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24 comments:

Jaymes E. Barnett, N.D., C.Ht. said...

Thank you so much for this post!!!

delusional said...

To the question of why are christians more prone to be bullies, I believe it the root would be pride or a sense of superiority.

I have had what may be termed mystical experiences recently that has changed my way of thinking about a lot of things. I am now more open more to eastern or non cannonized texts and now practice meditation and yoga. I wouldn't consider myself a buddist because I still hold some dogmatic personal beliefs more christian in nature.

I find some of the buddist, sikh, and bahai literature I have read about life philosophy and how to live very close to teachings that are attributable to christ. I am currently reading living buddha living christ. Sometimes I wonder if modern christians (at least the loudest and hypocritical ones) even know the philosophies of christ.

I started reading your blog about a 2 months ago and find it inspiring even though I don't agree with everything you say. Its nice to be able to consider other perspectives. Keep up the good work.

Melissa said...

Thanks so much for this post. I have been reading your blog in my feedreader for some time.

I wish I had an answer for you. I like to think that the reasons Christians are so crazy is because if their followers really sat down to examine their beliefs, they might run RUN away! Christian texts teach and advocate misogyny, bigotry and violence. Furthermore, they base their entire system of belief on the notion that man is *bad* by nature -- and that only through their god can man be good. That's not a very happy way to be alive, in my opinion (to contrast to secular humanism, which says that humans are basically good).

If the leadership of the Christian movement did not put forth an air of superiority and plant seeds of fear in the minds of their followers, who would follow such a faith?

They call him James Ure said...

Jaymes:

You're quite welcome, glad that you enjoyed it. All the best...

Delusional:

I think you're spot on with pride and superiority. I know that part of Christianity is that Christianity is the only true religion but that doesn't preclude basic respect and tolerance.

And many Christians do practice respect and tolerance for other religions and I appreciate that. I don't have a problem with Christians in general.

I'm glad that you enjoy and benefit from some Buddhist ideas. I don't think labeling ourselves as Buddhist or Christian, etc. precludes us from benefiting from other beliefs. In fact I believe that it makes our spirituality stronger to embrace other ideas.

I wonder too if some modern Christians have read the Bible either. Especially the new testament which is so wonderful and full of teachings on love and respect of all people.

I don't think that Jesus would be mean toward gays for example like some Christians are today.

Thank-you for reading the blog. I'm happy that you enjoy much of it and I don't mind one bit that you don't agree with everything. That's to be expected. :)

Bowing...

Melissa:

Thank-you and I appreciate your long-time readership as well as your comment here.

I think that many use Christianity to justify their feelings of superiority over others. Because of Christianity's claim of being the only religion possible.

They fear other religions who do have also teach love, compassion and peace. Probably because they can't imagine another religion that can make people happy.

So to see that threatens them in some way to the point where they feel that they need to attack to keep their feeling of superiority.

Of course not all Christians act this way thankfully.

Dhamma81 said...

Before becoming a Buddhist I was considering becoming a Benedictine monk. I have always had a lot of appreciation for some aspects of Christianity and don't see why anyone if they really and truly read the Gospels in a contemplative manner could denigrate Buddhism or anyone else for that matter.

Recently I have returned to the Gospels and some of the more contemplative teachers in Christianity like the Desert Fathers as far as my readings go. There have been some in recent times like John Main who even used a mantra type of meditation that he could trace back to the desert fathers. Very interesting. I don't take from the Gospels that Jesus was a fire and brimstone character at all.

The more I reread the gospels the more I see just how much of a tolerant man he was. The bottom line is a lot of Christians don't really understand their own religion deeply enough to realize just how perverse and twisted some of the views they hold are.

Jesus would never really attack homosexuals and try to forcefully convert Buddhists. There are some in scholarship that even think Jesus might have had contact with some Buddhists during his unaccounted for years.

I think no matter what religion one talks about there will always be some people who take things way out of control and act in ways that don't reflect the true values of that religion. I see a lot of wisdom in the Gospels and that is coming from a Buddhist! At any rate, this is a thoughtful post and made me think a lot. Very relavant to my current readings in ancient Christian tradition. Be well in your practice.

delusional said...

Exactly, just look at what happened to Joel Osteen when he would not say on Larry King Live that Christianity was the only way to salvation. He was eventually forced to chang his position after much pressure. I am not an Osteen follower but am just using it as an example.

Another teaching of christianity much like the Buddhist doctrine of Karma is that you reap what you so. Why is it such a stretch to apply that concept to a nation? Look at the backlash against Obammas former pastor for some of his comments. Jesus taught not to return evil for evil and turn the other cheek. To genuinely pray for your enemies. He lived in a Jerusalem occupied by Rome, yet I can't seem to find any of his teachings advocating violence. Let your good deeds do your talking.

Are we Americans first and christians second? Mainstream christians can't seem to form their own opinions other than the rah rah republican rhetoric dished out from the pulpit. I am pro life and against abortion, however, there are numerous other issues related to an overall pro life stance such as hunger, education, etc... that are ignored.

A lot of christians look down on meditation. I find it helps identify some of my hypocritical notions. I was a republican but just switched to independant. This will be the first time I vote for a Democrat, the end must be near.

Matt said...

First, let's be careful when we speak of 'Christians' because there are many different types of Christian believers / schools of thought - as with other faiths.

I once read "The Lotus and the Cross: Jesus Talks with Buddha" and my naiveity over Christians and Buddhists getting along was shaken - in particular, I was shocked at the author's lack of understanding of Buddhism and inherent belief Christianity was more compassionate, closer to God etc.

I think James hits the nail on the head with his original post when he talks about the psychology behind people who trumpet their own faith whilst seeking to dismiss others:

"In the end, who are you really at war with, the Buddhists or your own fears Mr. Terry? Somehow he's threatened by Buddhism and I'm not sure why. Maybe you're threatened that Buddhism doesn't believe in a "God" and that Buddhists seem very happy despite that belief. So maybe that shakes your foundation and forces you to face a profoundly deep fear that maybe there really isn't a "God" and that if such is the case that you wouldn't be able to control your unbridled desires/thoughts?"

I think that with an increasingly globalised world comes uncertainties (and with life in general, come to think of it). And so some believers man the barricades and clasp on to what they see as unshakeable truths. They insulate themselves with their beliefs.

And yes, followers of the Abrahamic faiths do seem more inclined to do this than the Dharmic faiths - but that might just be perception.

Dhamma81 said...

delusional-


"I am pro life and against abortion, however, there are numerous other issues related to an overall pro life stance such as hunger, education, etc... that are ignored."

What you are getting at is the hypocrisy of politics in general. Both Obama and Mccain consider themselves Christian but Obama is pro choice and Mccain is pro war. Which is better from a Christian or a Buddhist perspective? I think what Jesus and the Buddha did was radically shift the way people think and do things or at least challenge the way we see the world and act in it, and for me it means not going to the polls because I can't in good conscience vote either of them in.

It seems politics goes against Buddhist or Christian sensibility yet at the same time a political leader seems neccessary. It's a difficult issue with no easy answers. Ajahn Thanissaro once told me that if you choose to vote you can vote for the candidate that seems the least likely to cause harm since you can never really know 100% what someone will do. He also pointed out that voting isn't forced here either, so one doesn't have to go out to the polls. I myself have never missed an election yet this year I just can't do it.

They call him James Ure said...

Dhamma81:

There are so many great teachings in Christianity and that makes it even more of a shame of those who constantly focus on the verses (usually in the OT) that help them condemn others.

It doesn't seem totally unlikely that Jesus had contact with Buddhists. Certainly we know that Buddhism spread into parts of Persia (Iran). So it's not unlikely to believe they made it to the holy land.

Perhaps the three wise men where Buddhist monks? Who knows, I like to think that they were. What a beautiful moment of respecting the birth of a new religion!!

As for politics, I hear you about the difficulties. I just can't bear to continue the Bush years which I'm sure that McCain would do. So I'm voting for Obama. I don't say that to try and convince you to vote for Obama but to just give you my perspective.

Delusional:

You're spot on that "reaping what you sow" is the same thing as karma. Cause and effect. I think that many are afraid of acknowledging that their religion has a lot in common with those that we see as "evil."

You said, "I am pro life and against abortion, however, there are numerous other issues related to an overall pro life stance such as hunger, education, etc... that are ignored."

Exactly as well as protecting our environment to save for our children and grandchildren. I respect your pro-life views and I myself am a registered Independent voting for Obama.

I do lean left mostly but I do hold some positions that many would see as Republican but I really don't fit into our label happy society.

Meditation is something that I think can easily be divorced from Buddhism. You don't have to be a Buddhist to benefit from meditation as you well know. It's being taught in hospitals and work places across American now as a stress reducing exercise.

Matt:

Indeed there are many types of Christians and not all by any means are as intolerant as some.

It really is sad that people see Buddhism as something evil and "of the devil." Because clearly if they hold these ideas in their head it means that they have never really studied the religion.

It seems that many in some Christian branches just want someone else to tell them what to think, do and how to act. Instead of doing their own research and investigation.

I mean, how can anyone look at the innocent smiles of the Dalai Lama or Thich Nhat Hanh and think that they are not compassionate, loving and good? So sad.

delusional said...

Dhamma

Thank you for your insight. You are correct and beyond the differences you point out, I find the same things warring within myself.

This time however (right or wrong) I choose to select peace, dialogue, and acceptance. I do not find the philosophy of peace as long as you agree with me acceptable anymore, now matter how hard that is to accept. I cant smoke a cigarette and tell my kids not to. That is what USA seems to do on many topics and considers itself justified. Just think if everyone considered this philosphy neutrally.

They call him James Ure said...

Delusional:

I'm so with you. It's time to revive the time honored, tried and trued policy of diplomacy. Our State Dept. over the last 8 years has basically been in moth balls. Unused.

I see Obama as a true diplomat who can unite us again with the rest of the world. It is too dangerous and harmful to both America and the world to keep trying to "go it alone."

We need to realize that we are all interconnected in this world whether we like it or not. We need to knock our ego down a bit and remember that we aren't the only ones in this world.

We need to sacrifice so that as many of our fellow sentient beings can benefit from life as we might have. It's time to embrace a new "Manhattan project" where we focus our attention and resources in making green energy fully viable and a final solution to our energy needs. Hopefully a final solution.

I don't know how people can still deny that global warming isn't real.

scruffysmileyface said...

Three deep bows in gassho

Wow, what a great discussion.

To give another perspective, let's look at some of the statements already made. Realistically, I don't think it's appropriate to say that either pres. candidate is actually "pro-war" (not talking about Bush here, mind you). And while I realize people are already tired of hearing about it, I can't see someone who spent 5 years in a POW camp being pro-war. Not a supporter of either Obama or McCain, just offering another perspective.

I also think that people (including me) need to remember: these politicians are only flawed human beings, just like the rest of us. Obama is not the second coming of the Christ, and will not lead our people to the Promised Land any better than anyone else. I know a woman who actually fainted at an Obama rally. Seriously, folks. Support is one thing, and as flawed human beings they need and deserve our support and respect, but they're still politicians.

As for global warming, I don't think the argument is whether it's real or not. I think it's more about the causes and potential remedies that folks are bickering about, mostly. For example, Al Gore stated just last week that SUVs must be eliminated within 10 years, or else the Earth will be rendered uninhabitable (mind you, I might be misquoting that, so check his statement if you'd like to research it. I just don't have the time right now - but I think that's the gyst of it). I think that's going a bit overboard. We can all agree, however, that living in a more mindful manner would be a good thing, either way. Less waste, less pollution - how is this a bad thing?

I've written a little bit about Christians and their (generally) overbearing nature on my blog recently. I think some of it grows from the deeply-rooted conviction that there is a sky-god, and that he controls the universe and everything in it. It's easy to see how the notion that there is no sky-god would come across, at first, as threatening and confusing, given the depth of belief we're talking about.

I wrote a blog post about a sign that had been put up in front of a church in my neighborhood, and someone commented that I was trying to condemn 2,000 years of Christian tradition. I guess it's easy to get into this core belief structure, and once that structure is challenged - even if only by way of perception, as opposed to in reality - their gloves come off.

But in religion, the most important thing (in my view) is the teaching of morality. And in this, all religions are successful to varying degrees. One doesn't need to light a candle at mass or recite the Heart Sutra on a sacred mountain, to know that it's wrong to kill.

Peace, and three deep bows

They call him James Ure said...

Scruffy:

Thanks for jumping in!! While I'm a big supporter of Barack Obama I'm not one of those people who see him as the Messiah. I have been around long enough to know that one man can't make that much of a difference. I'm just excited for something new.

I agree that all candidates are flawed like all of us. I'm weary of anyone who doesn't admit to having weaknesses. My hope is that we can come together more as a society and heal some of the cracks that have been created between groups of people.

I wouldn't go as far as Al Gore's statement either. I think though that we do need to increase fuel efficiency standards on SUVS as with all cars. AND provide more incentives for car companies to make hybrids and for people buying them.

As for religions, I agree with you that all religions have the potential for perversion of the teachings.

I personally believe that religion/spirituality is a very personal issue and of course not everyone is going to have the exact same beliefs. Even amongst followers of the same faith.

I think the key (and I don't always do this) is to not be bothered by what others are doing but to focus on what we need to address on our path. We all have different karma to play out and so who are we to condemn others?

Jesus had much to say about pride I believe. I especially like, "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone." May we all find peace with ourselves and with other faiths.

G said...

Whether it's a Christian attacking Buddhism or a Buddhist attacking Christianity (which does happen!), an atheist attacking religion, etc., it ultimatly comes from delusion, doesn't it? Greed, hatred & delusion are the causes of our suffering, unenlightened/'sinful' states of being, whatever our professed faith or lack of one.

From this perspective, we would do well do cultivate compassion, kindness, sympathy & equanimity towardss the faults of others, whether they share our appreciation of the Buddhadharma or not. In Buddhism, there is no 'us' aand 'them'. There is karma & its results, there are impermanence, suffering, & not self. All is empty, and living in denial of this fact causes untold suffering in those that oppress others and in the oppressed.

Letting go of our cherished views to see reality as it is relieves us of this self-made suffering. It also enables us to see that the deluded acts of fundamentalists, whether of the religious, political or other types are the actions of suffering beings trapped in their own ignorance.

May all beings be at ease!

G at 'Buddha Space'.

brian said...

Religions of Fear and Hate - as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog.

Dan Stanton said...

Thank you for this blog.

From my own experience of being raised as a Christian, I had a profound ignorance of other religions. I felt I was very blessed by Christianity, so, naturally, I wanted to spread it around if I could. The problem was that I didn't realize that other religions could bring about well-being in people. Maybe the Christian proselytizer from the post was the same at some point in his life.

In mainstream Christianity, there seems to be the desire to believe the same things that your spiritual peers and superiors believe without checking those beliefs for yourself. As a result, hostile rumors about other religions get mistaken for fact very quickly.
(Speculatively, I think that comes along with the belief that Christianity as a religion is one truth altogether, denying that it comes piecemeal or even subjectively different for each individual.)

There is also the tendency to attribute the social troubles of other people with any differences that their religion may have from Christianity. The reverse also holds: good social traits get attributed to Christianity. Christians seem to believe that any correlation they can make in this way is proof that the beliefs of their religion are correct.
(Generally, they are hard-pressed to explain why Japan's crime rates are so much lower than those in the US when Japanese tend to be Shintoist, Buddhist, or both.)

I'm just making up something now, but this may tie into a larger phenomenon where any piece of information that seems to support Christianity becomes "truth" and needs to be spread around, whereas any information to the opposite is "deception" and is forgotten or requires the faith to overlook it.

With all of that ignorance and misinformation floating around, it might not take a whole lot of pride to convince yourself that you are doing people a favor by denouncing their religion and glorifying your own.

That's about as far as I can answer your question, but thanks again for putting the question out there.

DHeymann said...

I am so glad we live have this great place to leave all of our opinions and thoughts, this was a great subject to bring up and it is interesting to see everyone's views on the subject. As for intolerant Christians, I've seen my fair share, but I've also seen so many that focus on the New Testiment, rather than the fire and brimstone, a good point that was made earlier in this discussion, in my point of view.

I am not a christian, but was raised as one, and over the years (having known many Christians), I can say that I know many who only wish to spread love and happiness. If they offer it to me I am only happy to take it :). But while keeping in the back of my head that I still feel that some of their beliefs are a little silly.
Although I think the story of Jesus saving the prostitute from the stoning is a great example of how Christianity should be a tolerant religion.

I want to respect their beliefs, as I hope they will respect mine, my only goal is to live in peace, since we are all essentially connected to each other.

Although I will say I have had trouble with keeping my mouth shut when it may be best to do so. That's my current goal out of my meditation practice, hopefully I can be better, and come closer to living in that nirvana place.

Peace be with everyone.

They call him James Ure said...

Dan:

Excellent comment and analysis, thank-you for adding to the conversation.

Dheymann:

Yeah I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut too sometimes. I agree with you about the Jesus and the prostitute story. I sometimes wonder if people are actually reading the Bible that I read many times when I was Christian.

The Old Testament often seems incompatible with what Jesus said in the NT. And I would think that since the OT is about the Law of Moses and that when Jesus came it was partly to fulfill the Law of Moses that the OT wouldn't be that relevant any longer.

It many places the OT seems to contradict Jesus in the NT.

Anonymous said...

Jesus said in one of the gosples that "I come to bring the sword" and later "I have come to set mother against child, etc..."
The Christian religion is far from inclusive. It has an US against THEM mentality, and it probably always will.
Also remember the words of Christ when he said "You are either for me or against me."
It's far from a peaceful religion. History attests to that.

Scott said...

A lot of Christian hostility comes from people who were drawn to the apparent certainty of Christianity. Most people would like certainty in their lives and some of the teachings of Christianity promise just that. Anything that threatens their sense of certainty is very disturbing to that type of Christian, and so they react to that perceived threat with hostility. This doesn't apply to all Christians (or even most), but it's a significant subset.

elf_man said...

As Anon said, Christianity is far from inclusive. It is the way it is because it's built into the belief system, into the source material. Everything good in Christianity is at a very basic level that is not in the least unique to Christianity, but applies to any religion or atheist morality such as humanism. There are very good reasons that Christianity tends to "default" to fundie assholes, and why contrary to a lot of opinions, not all religions are good or positive.

The literalists cherry pick from the Bible; the moderates who take the Bible (even just the New Testament) metaphorically have to cherry pick their metaphors and leave out what doesn't work for them, and most will look a touch guilty when you bring it up. Heck, a lot of what's referred to as "moderate" still believes it's the one true path and everyone else is wrong, it just tends to be more tolerant (if not a bit condescending). Sure, the Bible has some nice stories, but they're so tied up in everything else that the basic values are at least as easily taught without those stories; all you have to do is teach your children that compassion, tolerance, and respect are necessary for a functioning society, and an enjoyable life. A religious/spiritual rubric is not by any means necessary to raising ethical, well-adjusted children; You just set a good example. you want meaning? Teach them to value themselves, and other people. Teach them to love their bodies, their emotions, sexuality, etc. and to see this in other people.

I've met a lot of Christians who are good people. But frankly, I think that what it comes down to is that they're lying to themselves about their own religion. Don't get me wrong, they have something that works for them, great; I have good friends who are Catholic, for crying out loud. I don't have a problem with that. My problems are with the source material, and hell, Catholicism even in its modern, post-Vatican II form is pretty rough, and all the "better" Catholics I've met have to gloss over bits they don't agree with.

I don't think it's a violent religion, but it is intolerant and almost wholly incompatible with other belief systems. What I like about Buddhist (especially Zen) teaching is that over and above anything else, it emphasizes studying reality as it is, as opposed to a metaphysics based on transcending reality, which in doing so emphasizes something "perfect" that being idealized and unprovable (by definition outside of reality, requiring faith) is ultimately unattainable. At its heart, Christianity just works out as a series of huge internal contradictions.
I'm not as angry as I probably sound. Just ranting a bit. Have a nice day!

They call him James Ure said...

Elf Man:

What I like about Buddhist (especially Zen) teaching is that over and above anything else, it emphasizes studying reality as it is, as opposed to a metaphysics based on transcending reality, which in doing so emphasizes something "perfect" that being idealized and unprovable (by definition outside of reality, requiring faith) is ultimately unattainable.

Well said.

Nick said...

Do you know whats the greatest irony about theists? While they called other religion names and put others down, they fail to observe one undeniable fact that God was betrayed by a THEIST(Lucifer) and not any Buddhist, Atheists and other religions. This is an undeniable fact and will continue to be so for 2 simple reasons:

Reason 1: Since atheists and other religion won't make it near to god since we did not buy an insurance policy on this, we won't be near god to hurt him.

Reason 2: If there should be a second coming of Lucifer, you know who he will come from..........from those who made it and not from those who did not.

Theists should really spend some soul searching and be wary of their own kind than to call others names.

Nick said...

While zealous theistic fundies continue to convert people, have anyone ever considered this hypothesis. Assuming everyone on earth is now a theist of the same faith, but killing, stealing still continues. Is the church going to say the same thing that all those who believe in Christ will be saved or rather Christ will save those who behaves. If its the latter, it proof that what theistic fundies are preaching is warped. How can Jesus save when god still need to judge? If god needs to judge, it only means that not all who calls me god will necessarily enter my kingdom much less those who accept Jesus yet continues to misbehave.

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